Friday 23 August 2013

Conversations Between St. John of Kronstadt and Abbess Thaisia - parts 1 - 2


Having had the good fortune to enjoy the most intimate spiritual relationship with the unforgettable late Father John Sergiev (of Kronstadt), I often conversed with him, at times quite at length, on subjects of a spiritual and exalted nature. Taking advantage of these opportunities, I endeavored to question him in regard to my difficult spiritual and monastic life; and pondering in my heart all the answers of the good Father, I would seclude myself in my cell and write down what he said to me, striving to remember his every word. From these notes a whole book was compiled. During the last years of Father John's life (I don't exactly remember when), I once mentioned these writings to him, and he expressed a desire to check these notes for himself. He found them accurate, made several corrections, where with his own hands he inserted additions, and then said to me: 'It is good that you are noting down my words. The Apostle says: Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances as I delivered them to you (1 Cor. 11:2). This means that the seed fell on good ground, and will bring forth fruit, potent to feed others as well.' Here are these notes, beginning in 1891, i.e. , the first year that Father John began to visit his native territory, the village of Sura, with the purpose of building a stone parish church in it.


II

When Father John was returning by ship from his native territory, and had entered the river Sheksna in order to follow it to the city of Rybinsk, he was being awaited in Cherepoutz by Mr. L., who had invited the good Father to visit and had chartered a large passenger ship for him. On the eve of that day, July 17th, I had come to Cherepoutz on monastery business, but I knew nothing about the proposed visit of Father John. I learned of his arrival by evening, and the next morning, after discovering that he had already arrived and was staying at the house of the cathedral parish president and business-man Mr. Krokhin, I immediately went to his house, forced my way through the large crowd of people that had gathered there, and began to plead with Father John to come and visit our monastery, which was located on the shore of the river Sheksna. Batiushka Father John excused himself from coming for fear that he would hold up the ship, since it was only chartered to get him, and not for his personal use. To this he added: 'If you want to talk, it would be nice if you would come with me on the ship. Then we can talk.' In this way we set off. Then, having beforehand obtained a permit from the owner of the ship, I again began to plead with Father John to come and visit our monastery. He agreed. Our ship stopped at our monastery dock, 'Borki,' and we came ashore and went in a carriage to the monastery.

The first words Father John said, turning to me were:

Father John: 'Why did you ask me so vehemently to visit your monastery? We met and had a talk - isn't that enough?'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Batiushka, I'm asking you to come because I had a chance to talk to you and see you with my own eyes. Having received this happiness, I want my sisters also to be as fortunate. If I don't use all means available to me to do this, then it will be on my conscience; but if I do everything on my part, and you still refuse, then I will not be answerable to God.'

Father John: 'Ah - so that's why! That's why we're going to the monastery.'

On our way we began a conversation.

Abbess Thaisia: 'I was hoping to open my whole soul to you, Batiushka. I have always wanted to do this so that you could see it as an external thing, and would thus be able to show me what is needful for it. This is the aim of my talk with you. Often we don't know ourselves, we condescend to our weaknesses. Besides, I see that you are a man endowed with grace; you see by the Holy Spirit which abides in you.'

Father John: 'Pastors are given a special grace for the work of saving the souls entrusted to us. This grace informs our knowledge to the degree necessary.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Yes, Batiushka, but not all pastors are given an equal amount. I think it is given to the measure of one's personal ability to receive it. You are especially endowed with The Holy Spirit, and through this you talk to people. I've been noticing this for quite some time now.'

Father John: 'If you have been noticing and you understand the spirituality in a person, then there is no reason to doubt that one needs faith. It is the enemy who disturbs our souls with doubt and unbelief, in order to deprive us of peace.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'You, Batiushka, have the chance to see many people, to hear their various needs, sins, necessities, and everything that people open up to you.'

Father John: 'Yes, my dear, I'm forced to hear many confessions from many people.' (Batiushka sighed heavily.)

Abbess Thaisia: 'Does it get hard at times, Batiushka?'

Father John: It's not easy, but that is precisely what the commandment means: We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak (Rom. 15:1). This not an easy commandment, and it refers mostly to pastors.

Abbess Thaisia: 'Do you get a chance to meet holy souls, perfect ones?'

Father John: 'Our perfection is there,' (Pointing to the sky) 'and one only is holy, our Lord Jesus Christ.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Batiushka, as long as a man is in the flesh, he cannot be freed from passions, temptations and pitfalls. These surround him all over the world.'

Father John: 'Of course he's not free, that is precisely why it is necessary to attend to ourselves deeply and persistently. In a moment of temptation a man is, as it were, placed on the scales -which side will overcome him? The enemy pulls him into perdition, while an angel and his conscience are holding him back. At this time it is necessary to arm oneself with the fear of hellish suffering. It is also necessary to add to this secret prayer of the heart, because without the help of God we are not strong enough to fight with temptations.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'When a man pays heed to himself, then even the smallest deviation from God, be it voluntary or involuntary, wieghs down the soul and disrupts its peaceful state. (I am, of course, speaking from experience.) With he loss of peace there arises turmoil, disturbance, and frustration. Oh, how hard it is sometimes for the soul, and how hard it is for it to return to its peaceful state!'

Father John: 'At that time it is imperative to have immediate secret repentance: He will call unto me and I shall hear him (Ps. 90:15). The Lord knows our weaknesses. He is ready to forgive us everything, if we repent and ask forgiveness. It is imperative not to become hard-hardheartedrted, i.e., not to hesitate on the thought of committedited, but to repent immediately, remembering the mercy of God. Then there will be born not turmoil or distraction, but contrition of heart and humility, which God will not despise (Ps. 50:17)

Abbess Thaisia: 'How does one preserve the soul's peace with God, which was restored to it through the sacraments, secret repentance, or Gods mercy?'

Father John: 'Nothing preserves peace, which consists of contact with God, as much as paying heed to oneself. In general, a man who is conducting a spiritual life and has zeal for salvation must tirelessly pay heed to himself; that is, must notice all the movements of his heart and mind. He is carefully watched by the enemy, who wants to catch him - when he finds a loophole, i.e., a moment not covered by the attention of the householder, he immediately rushes in and operates like the householder of a man's soul, and can do quite a lot of harm.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'How hard is the feeling within oneself when, having become purified and having restored it's union with God, the soul again breaks that union!'

Father John: 'On a clean and white surface, even the smallest spot is evident; we can likewise apply this to the soul. But on a black and dirty surface, it is unnoticeable because of the overall darkness and filth. And so it comes out that it is necessary to pay heed to oneself and have unceasing remembrance of God and inward prayer.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Yes, Batiushka, one comes to the conviction that it is hard for a man who is placed by life amidst tumult, even if he is innocent - as, for example, one who is in charge of others but strives to have inward attention - to keep himself on this path.'

Father John: 'Yes, it is hard, but what good deed is acquired without labor? After all, looking at it from another point of view, isn't our salvation in labor, isn't the kingdom of God taken by violence? And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. (Matt. 11:12) That is, forcing oneself by strength, by striving to fight, and only the most zealous seekers achieve it. Prayer is needed here.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Father, teach me to pray.'

Father John: 'To pray is the simplest, and at the same time the hardest, thing to do. A child can pray in it's own way; it asks it's father and mother for what it wants. We are children of the Heavenly Father. Why must we go out of our way to ask our Father? Just as you feel you must tell Him your needs, in the same way open your heart. The Lord is nigh unto all them that call upon Him, to all that call upon Him in truth... and their supplication shall He hear. (Ps. 144: 19,20). And again I tell you, I will come (II Sam. 17:2). Oh, how great is God's mercy towards us! But at the same time be wise and careful; preserve your mind from being scattered and wandering, and from vanity.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Sometimes Batiushka, I actually pray with my whole being, as if standing before the face of God himself. My whole being then disappears, and my prayer becomes sweet and fervent. That doesn't happen often, though; I don't allow myself such a state at times, for fear of the enemy, lest he platter by such prayer, as I am still inexperienced and incapable of enduring it's heights. This is the work of those more successful in spiritual life than myself. I, of course, have read all the ascetic books which warn against practicing contemplative prayer - especially beginners, such as myself - and warn that if one does strive for it at an early time, it is necessary to do so with extreme caution, as an exalted gift from God.

Father John: 'That is exactly what I am telling you: be wise and careful. However, it is not wise to avoid contemplative prayer. Such prayer is a visitation of God's grace. One must persistently and intently ask for it and treasure it, but not avoid it for any reason. The enemy hates such prayer; and that is why he tries to frighten and deceive you. This prayer gives peace to the soul, it settles silence and quietness in it.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Since becoming an abbess, I don't pray much Batiushka. During the day I get exhausted from my daily work and cares, and I can barely crawl to my pillow at night. Before I can even get up in the morning, all the cares rise up again. The moment I open the door, I am overwhelmed; I can hardly return to prayer.'

Father John: 'Salvation and prayer don't consist in many words, but in understanding and warmth of heart. The most important thing to remember during the day is to have constant thought of God, that is, to have secret inward prayer. I myself don't have time to stand through long monastic services, but everywhere I go, whether I walk, am driven, ride, sit or lie, the thought of God never abandons me. I beheld the Lord ever before me that I might not be shaken (Ps. 15:18). The thought of His closeness never abandons me. You, too, must strive to do the same.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Batiushka, do you sense Him close to you?'

Father John: 'Yes, my dear, as one close, very close to me. He is always with me, according to His word: I will dwell in them... and I will be their God (II Cor. 6:16). Otherwise, how would I act the whole day, if it were not for the grace of God?

Abbess Thaisia: 'Yes Batiushka, you certainly are laboring remarkably! You are offering yourself as a sacrifice to the people, completely forgetting about yourself.'

Father John: 'Well, perhaps that's a little too much. Actually, I strive according to my strength, with God's help, for the salvation of men. I have been preparing myself for this since my ordination to the priesthood. Pastors, who are the successors of the Apostles, must live for their flock, and not for themselves: Ye are the salt of the Earth, but if the salt has lost it's savor, wherewith shall it be salted? (Matt. 3:13)

Abbess Thaisia: 'I know Batiushka, that you have served as a priest for quite some time now. Why have you now become so conspicuous?'

Father John: 'That was the time of preparation. How is it possible to come out to fight if one hasn't prepared oneself and acquired experience?'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Yes Batiushka, it has not been easy for you, but now you stand higher than all temptations and passions. Any that approach you will be crushed against the rock of faith and grace that is within you.'

Father John crossed himself and said with a sigh:

Father John: 'That's a lot to say - higher than all temptations and passions? I'm not passionless. But God's grace - and His grace which was bestowed on me was not in vain (i Cor 15:10) - has always strengthened me and encouraged me. What we have is nothing but weaknesses and sins; our capability in serving is from God.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'You have great faith, Batiushka, which I seem to lack. Share some with me.'

Father John smiled and said:

Father John: 'Take as much as you want, as much as you can carry. The Lord is rich in mercies.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'You're joking, Batiushka, but I often waver. Not in faith in God, of course. Oh no, I believe in him firmly and undoubtingly. i will give you an example: How can I hope for salvation on the path I have chosen? Was it from God, or my own initiative? And what about all my dreams, which you know about? And there are many other matters I want verified in a more spiritual way, full of grace and hope.'

Father John: 'It is futile to be disturbed about that. Your first vision of the Savior occurred when you were still a child. What kind of prelest would that be? He called you by this means to serve Him, and gave you a testament for your salvation.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'At the end of the vision he told me: 'First you must labor.' And so I labor with all my strength - but am I doing it in a way that is pleasing to Him? Will He accept my labors, are they pleasing to Him? I cannot be sure, for after all, 'God's judgment is different.''

Father John: 'How will He not accept them when He has already crowned them with success? Look what a cathedral you have erected in such a short time, without any means. Didn't the Lord crown your labors with such success? For your monastery and your virgin sisters whom you are guiding to salvation, the Lord will reward you a hundredfold, for He is just and merciful.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'But all this is external, my dear Batiushka. So I built a cathedral with donations that other people obtained from other people's hands. For this everyone praises me. This is an external reward for external things. What about my soul? What have I acquired during the course of my many years in the monastery?'

Father John: 'You say that you haven't acquired anything for your soul? This will be judged by God, Who is the knower of hearts. As long as we are on the Earth, Thaisia, the soul is inseparably bound with external things, and the labors, although of a material nature, are undertaken for the Lord and His Glory. Indisputably these are accepted by Him. You say that it was built by other peoples donations. Ha! It is much easier to build with one's own money, than by that acquired by the difficult, tedious collection of these donations. You say that they praise you for building the cathedral. How can one avoid praising such a deed? After all, from here to the end of the world the name of God is glorified by thousands of lips. Your memory, as the builder of the church, will not be forgotten by the Church.

Abbess Thaisia: 'Now, because of these building cares, combined with the general abbatical worries and labors, I have no prayer, no fasting, no monastic activity.'

Father John: 'Your labors are not for your soul alone, but for the general good. That is why they are great, greater than if they were just for yourself. As for fasting, you are lying about yourself. Your food is poor and simple. To completely avoid this is impossible for one who labors.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'And what of the sins connected with the abbatical position?'

Father John: 'And what of the lamb of God, Who took away the sin of the world? Ask from God faith and hope: Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, and be sober, and hope till the end for the grace that is to brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ (I Peter 1:13), says the Apostle Peter.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'Pray for me, Batiushka, that through your powerful prayers the Lord will help me.'

Father John: 'I am praying, and will keep praying. You must pray for me also; your prayer has boldness.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'What is my prayer? I pray for you, my Batiushka, on the one hand, because I like to pray for you. But on the other hand, it is shameful and frightful for me to pray for you before God, for who am I compared to you?'

Father John: 'Why, Thaisia, it's not right for you to exalt me like that! I am the first of sinners. the Apostle himself asks the faithful to pray for him: Brethren, pray for us (I Thes. 5:25). And the other Apostle writes: Pray one for another (Jas. 5:16). It is easier to pray for those who pray for us.'

Abbess Thaisia: 'I wrote to you once, Batiushka, asking you to pray for my healing from a sickness, and I received a little alleviation, but not complete healing.'


Father John: 'That means there was no need of it. Don't seek to escape sickness; one must be sick for a while and endure. Everything is good for you, for your salvation.'


Part 3 soon...

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